JRE 2193 · August 22, 2024
Jack Symes
Who is Jack Symes?
Jack Symes is a public philosopher, writer, and producer of the "Panpsycast" podcast. A researcher at Durham University, he’s the author of "Defeating the Evil-God Challenge" and editor of the "Talking About Philosophy" series.
Topics and Timestamps
- 01Jack Symes discusses panpsychism and consciousness, the idea that consciousness might be a fundamental feature of the universe rather than something unique to brains
- 02Explores the philosophical problem of evil and how it relates to theodicy, including his work on the evil-god challenge
- 03Discusses the relationship between science and philosophy, and how they complement each other in understanding reality
- 04Talks about his podcast Panpsycast and how he's making philosophy accessible to general audiences
- 05Explores different theories of consciousness and why the hard problem of consciousness remains unsolved
- 06Discusses the nature of free will, determinism, and how these concepts affect our understanding of morality and responsibility
- ▶Introduction to panpsychism and consciousness0:05:00
- ▶Explaining the hard problem of consciousness0:15:30
- ▶Discussion of the evil-god challenge and theodicy0:28:45
- ▶Symes discusses his Panpsycast podcast and making philosophy accessible0:42:00
- ▶Deep dive into free will, determinism, and moral responsibility0:58:15
The Show
Joe sits down with Jack Symes, a public philosopher and researcher at Durham University who's doing fascinating work trying to make complex philosophical ideas accessible to regular people. The conversation quickly dives into consciousness and panpsychism, which is basically the wild idea that consciousness might not be unique to humans or even animals, but could be a fundamental feature of reality itself. It's one of those concepts that sounds crazy at first but actually solves some really thorny philosophical problems.
Symes explains the hard problem of consciousness, which is essentially why physical matter arranged in our brains creates subjective experience. Like, we can explain behavior and cognitive functions, but why does it feel like something to be conscious? Why isn't it all just happening in the dark? Most people don't realize how genuinely unsolved this problem is in neuroscience and philosophy. Panpsychism offers one potential answer, though it's definitely controversial among academics.
The conversation shifts to Symes' work on the evil-god challenge and theodicy, which is basically the philosophical problem of reconciling an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God with the existence of evil in the world. Symes flips it and asks what if we had an evil god instead? It's a clever rhetorical move that exposes assumptions people make about theological arguments. Joe seems genuinely interested in how this shapes debates about religion and morality.
Symes talks about his podcast Panpsycast and why he got into making philosophy content for general audiences. He's frustrated with how philosophy gets gatekept in academia and locked away in dense journals nobody reads. He wants to get these ideas out there so regular people can engage with serious thinking about reality, consciousness, and meaning. This resonates with Joe's whole philosophy about spreading ideas and having interesting conversations.
The discussion touches on free will and determinism, and whether our sense of making choices is just an illusion created by our brains processing information. If everything's determined by physics, what does responsibility even mean? These are the kinds of questions that keep philosophers up at night but have real implications for how we think about justice, morality, and human agency.
Throughout the conversation, Joe keeps pushing Symes on practical implications. Like, does any of this philosophy stuff actually matter in real life or is it just intellectual navel-gazing? Symes makes a pretty good case that understanding consciousness and free will and morality has genuine consequences for how we structure society and treat each other. It's a solid conversation between two people genuinely interested in big questions.
Best Quotes
“The hard problem of consciousness is why there's something it's like to be conscious, not just the behavior”
— Jack Symes
From the JRE 2193 conversation with Jack Symes.
“Panpsychism suggests consciousness might be a fundamental feature of the universe rather than something unique to brains”
— Joe Rogan
From the JRE 2193 conversation with Jack Symes.
“Philosophy isn't some abstract thing divorced from reality, it has real implications for how we live”
— Jack Symes
From the JRE 2193 conversation with Jack Symes.
“If everything is determined, what does responsibility actually mean?”
— Joe Rogan
From the JRE 2193 conversation with Jack Symes.
“The evil-god challenge flips the theodicy argument to expose assumptions we make about religious reasoning”
— Jack Symes
From the JRE 2193 conversation with Jack Symes.
Mentioned in This Episode
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Defeating the Evil-God Challenge
AmazonA philosophical work by Jack Symes examining theodicy and the problem of evil through the lens of the evil-god challenge.
Panpsycast
AmazonA podcast hosted by Jack Symes dedicated to making philosophy and philosophical concepts accessible to general audiences.
Talking About Philosophy Series
AmazonAn edited collection of philosophical discussions and essays edited by Jack Symes.
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