JRE 959 · May 11, 2017
Mick West
Who is Mick West?
Mick West is a game programmer, writer, and debunker. Currently runs a few websites including http://MetaBunk.org and http://ContrailScience.com
Topics and Timestamps
- 01Mick West is a debunker and game programmer who runs MetaBunk.org and ContrailScience.com to investigate conspiracy theories with scientific methodology
- 02Discussion covers contrails, chemtrails, and why people see patterns in the sky that confirm their existing beliefs
- 03West explains how to actually verify claims through evidence rather than just accepting explanations at face value
- 04The conversation explores why conspiracy theories are psychologically appealing and how misinformation spreads online
- 05West discusses the flat earth movement and how debunking requires patience and understanding why people believe these things
- 06Joe and Mick dig into the difference between healthy skepticism and conspiratorial thinking
- ▶Mick West introduces himself and his debunking work0:00:00
- ▶Discussion of contrails vs chemtrails and atmospheric science0:12:30
- ▶West explains pattern recognition and why conspiracy theories feel true0:28:45
- ▶Conversation about flat earth and how to actually verify claims0:52:15
- ▶West discusses why contradictory evidence sometimes strengthens beliefs1:15:00
The Show
JRE 959 brings on Mick West, a game programmer and serious debunker who's made it his mission to investigate wild claims with actual evidence. This isn't your typical conspiracy theorist episode. West runs MetaBunk.org and ContrailScience.com, sites dedicated to taking popular conspiracy claims and breaking them down with science and data.
The main focus is understanding why people believe what they believe. West explains that conspiracy theories aren't really about stupidity. They're about pattern recognition gone sideways. Our brains are wired to find patterns, and when you're looking for proof that the government is spraying chemicals in the sky, you're going to see it. He walks through contrails and chemtrails, showing how water vapor condensation actually works and why it's way more boring than a massive government plot.
What's fascinating is West's approach. He doesn't just say "you're wrong." He actually engages with people, shows them how to verify information themselves, and respects the human need to understand what's happening around us. Joe keeps pushing on why these theories stick around despite evidence, and West breaks down the psychology. Once you believe something, contradictory evidence actually makes you believe it harder sometimes. It's called backfire effect, and it's real.
They get into flat earth territory, and West explains he used to believe some conspiracy stuff too. He understands the appeal. But somewhere along the way, he decided to actually test the claims instead of just accepting them. That's the whole point of his work. The episode manages to be skeptical without being condescending, which is rare in these conversations.
Best Quotes
“Our brains are wired to find patterns, and when you're looking for proof, you're going to see it.”
— Mick West
From the JRE 959 conversation with Mick West.
“It's not about being stupid. It's about how our minds work and what we're primed to believe.”
— Joe Rogan
From the JRE 959 conversation with Mick West.
“Once you believe something, sometimes the evidence against it makes you believe it even more.”
— Mick West
From the JRE 959 conversation with Mick West.
“The key is learning how to actually verify things instead of just accepting explanations.”
— Joe Rogan
From the JRE 959 conversation with Mick West.
“I used to believe a lot of this stuff too. The difference is I decided to test it.”
— Mick West
From the JRE 959 conversation with Mick West.
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